These G12’s came within the two Carvin VX112 Cabs I bought recently. I made sure they worked & then got rid of them & replaced them with my style speakers. I am more of a mainstream easy listening guitar player.I am told by Carvin the G12’s are more like V-30″s for a Rock style sound & guitarist. So they have got had no use and are as new as you’ll be able to find without shopping for them straight away from Carvin. Carvin ‘s price for them is $89.00 each and every plus $20 for shipping. I’m going to box these up as good as it gets and only charge you what it costs me to ship them for your location.